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September 20, 2006

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MattJ

Great post Isaac. Great great post.

I guess the other important thing we take out of this post is that there is no real track either. Not everyone is doing what you are doing. But this is the way you are trying to make it work, balancing realities with passions. Of course these are all things I'm trying to figure out for myself right now as well.

There are people doing it while working full time jobs, people with other very flexible part time jobs, others that work in theatre administration during the day, etc. A good spin-off questions is: Where DOES theatre grad school fit into a life in the theatre??

philucifer

Yup, that's pretty much my week exactly, when I'm in a show. It's amazing that when I'm acting instead of directing, it sometimes feels like a vacation (since I don't have to find time to meet with designers, etc.) Although, as a producer with Nosedive, that's quite often still the case. Add in trying to find the time to design the sound, and it's like scheduled boot camp several times a year.

Tangentially, and to give just a brief bit of perspective: my mom was working for Dreamworks at the time that Sam Mendes was filming "American Beauty". I knew who he was, because of his work at the Donmar Warehouse, etc. so she'd keep me updated on how it was going. Apparently there were frequent screaming matches between he and the producers -- at least one in particular -- that quite often included the phrase, "He's just a theatre director! He has no fucking clue about how movies are made!!"

So how did he get the film finished? By avoiding all phone calls from this particular producer while on set after the first week or so of production.

I remember watching the Oscars to see if he'd wind up including the producer's name in his thank you speech (he did.)

So even at that level, it was only enough to get him through the door. If the film hadn't won the awards it did, I doubt he would have ever had the chance to make another.

Malachy Walsh

Indeed, a great post.

And, though I'm a writer, within it (and Playgoers article) are some of the reasons I've recently moved west. (There are other, more personal reasons.) It's partly to point of my blog.

Another avenue writers have also gone down (myself for instance) to make $$ is advertising. (Anonymous on Playgoer would really be sickened by such a thing, I'm sure.)

As David Gluck, the former managing director of the Magic once said to me, "I'm told the most creative writers in America are working in that industry."

Don't know if that's quite true, but it's been a steady gig for many smart writers and employs thousands (maybe 10s of thousands) of actors every year.

Finally, to grad question, I did grad school late in life and have a big debt from it. I don't regret this. It gave me the opportunity to explore ways of writing that I never would have otherwise - and my writing changed for the better.

The debt has its own problems, but that, I might add, is not different from the pressure most feel from any kind of degree these days. I've used it as fodder for my art in any case, so who knows, I might even be able to pay for the debt by commenting on the debt - it that makes any sense.

Tom Loughlin

"What it Takes," I think, really depends a lot on what you want. And I think very few people, if they ask the question "what do I want," answer it honestly. Whenever I read about such issues as "what it takes" or the LA Times piece Garret has brought to the forefront, it seems to me that the 800-lb gorilla in the room is the question of recognition and fame. I would venture to say that many people of course want to make good art, but what goes unsaid is that they also want to have that art recognized by the outside world, either in money or awards - preferably both. They sort of go hand-in-hand anyway.

There is, in my opinion, only one reason why people insist on going to NYC to try to "make it" when there are so many other possibilities in this country, and that's for the recognition. It's so much cheaper and so much easier to produce plays in so many other cities than New York, but seldom is this possibility seriously considered. Heck, in Buffalo we have a theatre which has, for over twenty years now, done almost nothing else but produce new plays. But can you convince playwrights to come and live and work in Buffalo? Probably not, as I am quite sure the image of a vacuous, empty city is the first thing that pops into mind. There are spaces aplenty, rent is cheap, day jobs can be had, there is acting talent; but there is no lure of fame. Just the work. Makes me wonder sometimes if people really, actually do want to simply get their work produced, or produced in a particular place, and that's what they want to "make work." Is it for the glory, or is it for the work? -poorplayer

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