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July 14, 2008

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I'm curious- if you're interested in the Regional Theatre Revival why you aren't located in a region? Not a judgment on you- but an honest question. I know lots of people interested in Regional Theatre- I myself am obsessed with the lore of the old rep companies and can only imagine what those days must have been like (all the actors I've looked up to when working with have seemed to come from this time)... it just sometimes seems strange that people in NY are calling for a revitalized Regional theater movement. Yet, they've moved to a city- albeit the accepted "theater capital" of the US- that is plagued with the problems they rail against.

I don't know anyone in Philadelphia or Iowa or Denver or Chicago (all places I've worked in the past few years) bemoaning the Regional model- actors in Philly (obviously, not all) are buying houses... If you want to revitalize the American Theater, if you want to ignite the Regions- shouldn't you go and do it?

Now, whenever this gets brought up- people get upset and feel they're being singled out. But I think it's a real question to look at. These conversations just fall into the typical "not enough money" "we need more support" categories. It's theoretical. And it's really not changing.

If you think they should be doing more exciting and engaging work in Des Moines or Kansas City or anywhere else maybe you should do it.

We accept the model by living within the model.

Just a thought...

Sean

On a personal note, I am burned out from having a full time job and trying to see plays and write plays. I just can't do it like this anymore. I'm trying to figure out what comes next. It's one thing to work hard but it's another to work hard and still not have any money. That's where I am right now and I have to figure out something else.

I want to echo Adam, and also say that I've found it to be next to impossible when you add family (i.e. my new child) in addition to the work I do for money and the networking and theatre . . . it's a struggle even to see theatre these days, much less create it on a consistent basis like I used to do.

2008 marks the first year (so far, we're only 7 months into it) that I haven't had at least one production of a play that I wrote (I have had a couple readings) since 1994 - before this year I averaged three or four productions a year, often more (and a LOT of readings).

A large part of that is that I've shifted focus from theatre to film and fiction, primarily so that I can hopefully make a somewhat sustainable living as a writer.

Hey. We're living in a transitional time. It's going to be rough, and it'll get worse before it gets better, but the sooner we commit to making it better, and the more we act on that commitment, the sooner we'll get past the rough parts.

If you're doing alternative model theatre and it's not paying, it's too new and it's going to take some time before things catch on more. If you can't sustain the level of production you wanna sustain, then slow down, find something more lucrative and support the people who are sustaining that level of production, with either your volunteer labor, your money, or just your ass in their seats and word of mouth.

First off, Issac...well thought out post.

Second, "making art that is more relevant to people's lives and thus more important culturally and more artists making a living at theatre are mutually exclusive."

I dont think that is what I am saying. I believe that the medium of theater is in a position where regardless of content, it is dismissed as an opinion by the majority of Americans based solely as a system of distribution.

This seriously complicates any notion of the possibility of getting people back in the theater to see shows that are culturally relevant since the theater is not a site where most people go to discover that which they will endow with relevance.

Whereas lovers of theater might be anxious to get a seat at August:Osage County...the majority of Americans aren't even aware of it...and once the become aware...will merely wait for the DVD skipping it at the cinema house...

Then once the DVD comes out, community theaters across the country will produce the show with non-equity actors, no one or maybe just the techs getting paid...

This more specifically is what I mean when I say nobody cares...that until the DVD viewer demands the product (theatrical narrative) before it leaves the theater. That the majority of America doesn't care about whether or not actors on stage are paid...

Do I paint an inaccurate picture of how narrative is distributed especially theatrical narrative? This is the paradigm that needs to be changed in order to make things easier....

I desire an easier way, as you put it...but think that the products' marketability is the key. I believe this is totally an issue of economics not morals, culture, or anything else except how it relates to economics. Either the market can support it's own existence and everyone is fighting for the captain's deck on a sinking ship...or...

the ecomonic resource is there and it is being misused or misappropriated.

"You can't make a living as a playwright. You can barely scrape by."
- Sam Shepard

Maybe someday it'll get figgered out. But I don't think he was the first to utter such either.

I know it sounds like science fiction, but in the early 50s, after several bad reviews (and an apparent embargo on any reviews of his books by the NY Times), which led to ever decreasing book sales, Gore Vidal turned to playwriting in order to continue making a living (!) I had to read that sentence twice when I ran across it in Gore's memoir, the idea was so completely beyond imagining. But, let's not feel too bad for ourselves--the plays Gore wrote were almost all silly commercial Broadway comedies or melodramas, none of which hold up very well today (I know--I saw the Broadway Revival of "The Best Man" about 7 years ago. Yikes!). However, you could also say that he was lucky in the fact that if you wanted to write such fluff, you could get it done. Try to peddle "Visit to a Small Planet" or "The Best Man" to Broadway producers today, and see if they bite. Better take it to London first (yeah, I'm looking at you, "Boeing, Boeing."!).

Devilvet- we are in complete agreement, and the alternative you seek exists. The things we need to do are laid out before us, most of us are already doing those things. We need merely to do them more, and more effectively, and convince others to do them as well.

oh the Le Tigre lyrics repeat in my head... "get off the internet! I'll meet you in the street!"

Hey Isaac ... I haven't seen Daisey's show, but I've been marinating my own screed on the subject for some time. I finally posted it on my site. I should have divvied it up into four parts like you, but ... it's all there for the moment.

thanks for continuing the discussion ...

http://tundratastic.blogspot.com/2008/07/against-national-theatre.html

--Karl

Theatre was totally passe in London in the 1950s until John Osborne amd Kenneth Tynan made it The Place for Hip People to Be. Suddenly, there was a renaissance of interest, a blossoming of playwriting, and a generation of exciting actors who didn't come through RADA. The Royal Court nurtured that activity, and fanned the flame until the fire was strong.

In other words, dv, things can change in ther blink of an eye. So basing predictions on current conditions is an iffy prospect at best.

"In other words, dv, things can change in ther blink of an eye. So basing predictions on current conditions is an iffy prospect at best."

Scott I think that is sort of a silly irresponsible thing to say. It seems more about wishing based on a romantized paradigm that based on observation of the actual environment.

Could I reflect on the small theatre post war movement in paris and say something like...see adsurdism can become the soupdour again in a blink?

If we disregard the landscape in our thought process and reasoning...we are in trouble. That doesnt mean acknowledging NYLACHI prejudices, but it does mean calling a spade a spade and not crossing our fingers in wait fro the next tynan or osborne...the media has tried that with Shepard last generation and labute (gasp) this generation...

But maybe what you are talking about is possible but that sort of change would have to part of something bigger and the theatre comes along for the ride like happenings and the protest era.


Devilvet- agree completely again! Yes, the source of our optimism must come from the situation on the ground, not our hopes or dreams or past fancy times.

Some reccommended reading / viewing for a new perspective of the situation on the ground:

1. Richard Florida's Rise of the Creative Class.
2. http://indiecraftdocumentary.blogspot.com/
3. any basement in a poor neighborhood of the city you are living in with loud punk rock music and underage drinkers spilling out of it.

None of these are ideal, but the three combined indicate that there is a MOVEMENT happening. You'll notice that the band in that basement is very likely from the other side of the country, and very possibly making a sustainable living on it.

If you don't care about other mediums: here are a few theatre companies i've seen trying the same thing in ours: http://www.themissoulaoblongata.com/
http://nonsensecompany.com/home.html
and, mine: http://www.insurgenttheatre.org/

Your skepticism is appreciated, and i wonder if you think these landmarks on the landscape carry and weight for you.

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