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April 23, 2009


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Wow. There are a bunch of things here I disagree with and he's definitely got a whole heaping raft of self-pity going on, but...kudos to him for continuing to engage and for standing his ground. Part of the problem is that so many artistic directors act like they know it's all shameful and their hands are tied just like our and they put the blame for this stuff squarely on everybody else. This guy isn't. It really begs the question, though, of what the alternative really is.

Mike Daisey

I've responded.


Nick Keenan

The thing I'm really interested in here is not the brokering for position over who gets to frame reality. Not that it isn't exciting to have some renewed progress in the dialogue, and not that finding common ground via real debate isn't important. This debate has and will continue to spark a lot of thought, but itsefl will ultimately be a question of dominance, and I'm a practical-minded implementer. What is interesting to me is: Is this a chance to broker a real experiment? One that finally flippin' gets published and xeroxed and sent to everyone's mailing list?

I'd like to see a real test / demonstration of Mike's artist/staff hybrid positions in action. I think they can work. In fact, I'd argue this idea is the single most exciting and transformative proposition to emerge out of the echo chamber of the theatrosphere as long as I've known it: That even on the regional theater level, there is an alternative to the compartmentalization and over-specialization that results in the body of the theatre organization not talking to the mind, not talking to the heart, not talking to the feet. Yes, I'm referring to the production, performance, artistic/literary, and marketing departments there. Even more body parts available to be had in this metaphor!

A group of us who work in both large regional and small independent theaters in Chicago (I know, Isaac, groan) have been playing with hybridization - retraining performers and designers in particular to apply their performance and aesthetic skills creatively to marketing, development, education programs. But I'm talking about intensive training. We're teaching ourselves graphic design, web development, we're sharing information, we're getting each other freelance jobs that feed each other's growth. Like all ideas that emerge from a renaissance, this is happening on some level in all theaters, especially those that are embracing things like internet / social media dialogue and finding traction with them. What feels different to me - and needs to be measured, therefore - is this idea that you can both be paid to perform and be paid to market yourself in a theatrical organization at the same time - as if they are the same activity (which of course, they have been since before morality plays). That you can't have either without the other.

We're doing this on a small scale - one of our most lucrative and innovative education programs has actually been corporate training (e.g. actors teaching facebook and social networking seminars to corporations via the ideas of connection, dialogue, and trust).

But that's a local solution, and as Mike says, there is no magic pill solution that works for every market. Because this needs to be a conversation the entire industry needs to have together - and it seems clear from this exchange that some of us need the debate and some of us need to see the results - is it possible / likely to have a single organization or several TRY this and, basically, publish? So that the experiment can spread?


If it's worth anything to the conversation, back in the day, this was how Robert Brustein used to staff ART, at least partially.

His assistant and his Literary Director acted in repertory, as I recall, and they were as committed to their day jobs as they were to their evening ones.


There were some great pointers...but not sure if I totally agree

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