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August 27, 2010

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Jihad Punk 77

thank you. I saw a post via AngryAsianMan about how Japanese Americans got arrested for building Buddhist shrines and the similarities with Park 51 today:

http://www.theworld.org/2010/08/25/buddhism-and-islam-in-america/

Ian Thal

Ebert is free to decide for himself what he regards to be in "good taste" and what he regards to be in "bad taste." Our dedication to freedom of speech, press, and religion, has nothing to do with agreeing with or liking the speech, press, or religions of others, it's that we tolerate those with whom we disagree and acknowledge their rights to disagree with us.

Most New Yorkers have decided that Park51 is something they will accept on that location, and even if they hadn't, there's issues of both the Freedom of Religion, Due Process, and the Equal Protection Clause.

As to the "pick another location" issue. Keep in mind Pope John Paul II had the Carmelite Convent at Auschwitz removed because he understood it to be a hinderance to improved relations between Christians and Jews, something about which he was greatly concerned. 9/11 certainly was not as big as a full-on genocide, but it is an example that sometimes working towards co-existence requires some compromise regarding the other's sensitivities.

So Ebert is perfectly entitled to defend free exercise of religion and still find certain actions in "bad taste." Ebert is just trying to treat the controversy with some degree of nuance and realpolitik: i.e. inalienable rights that we all have in America and the sensitivities of the many different communities that live in America. One is an issue of law (which is pretty unambiguous in this case), and the other is an issue of ethics (which is not so clear-cut.)

isaac

I think I'm equally entitled to say he's wrong about it. While the convent at Auschwitz has been raised many times by Park51 opponents, the analogy doesn't even make cursory sense. 9/11 wasn't the holocaust. Park 51 will not be built for the purpose of praying for the souls of people who died in 9/11 regardless of their faith, and Park 51 is being built nowhere near (by NYC standards) the ground zero location. It's a not-mosque that's not-at-ground-zero, which is very different from a convent built at Auschwitz.

Ian Thal

Yes Isaac, and I'm inclined to agree on precisely those grounds (notice that I already stated that the comparison has very limited applicability), but I'm not about to lump those who are genuinely sensitive on this issue with the bigots who take their marching orders from Fox News.

As I said, we live in the United States, so the principles of religious freedom and equal protection under the law trumps community sensitivity in the courtroom-- though if one is trying to build bridges to other communities, sometimes some sensitivity is in order.

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